I have a co-worker who's father just passed away. He'd like his ashes
scattered over his home town. I've read a few horror stories in
flying magazine. Does anyone have any experience with this? I have a
Mooney and am a little concerned about stuff getting blown back in, or
all over the wings. Is a high-wing the best way to go? I've also
heard that a tube and funnel thingy might be prudent.

Thankx

I have a bit of experience. Perhaps others have more.

This is not terribly pretty, and perhaps a even a bit tacky, but it worked
for us...

Get some 3" abs or pvc drain pipe, about 3 - 3 1/2 ' long.
Attach a cap to one end, and a cleanout fitting to the other.

The cleanout fitting unscrews, which allows you to pour the ashes into the
pipe. Of course, screw the fitting back on once done, but not too tight.

When over the site, open the window, and with the cleanout fitting end as
far out as you can, hold onto the pipe with one hand while unscrewing the
fitting with the other. Keep the open end aft of the open window and as far
down as you can comfortably reach. Don't drop the pipe!

Oh, perhaps you want to paint things on the pipe.

Harvey


"Chris Matras" > wrote in message
...
> I have a co-worker who's father just passed away. He'd like his ashes
> scattered over his home town. I've read a few horror stories in
> flying magazine. Does anyone have any experience with this? I have a
> Mooney and am a little concerned about stuff getting blown back in, or
> all over the wings. Is a high-wing the best way to go? I've also
> heard that a tube and funnel thingy might be prudent.
>
> Thankx
>

On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 17:02:27 -0500, Chris Matras >
wrote:

>I have a co-worker who's father just passed away. He'd like his ashes
>scattered over his home town. I've read a few horror stories in
>flying magazine. Does anyone have any experience with this? I have a
>Mooney and am a little concerned about stuff getting blown back in, or
>all over the wings. Is a high-wing the best way to go? I've also
>heard that a tube and funnel thingy might be prudent.
>
>Thankx

Only one problem with a tube out the window, dipped in bottle
approach. The tube needs to poke into a (relatively) low pressure
area, not high-pressure area, or it blows round the cockpit.

Could practice with a u tube with a little water in it, to sample the
differential, or with a sensitive gage, or use a bottle of flour or
talcum?

Brian Whatcott Altus, OK

You shouldn't be doing this unless you've done it before. There are folks
who specialize on this type of delicate task and most of them are reasonably
priced. You or your friend should look into this first.

My condolences to your co-worker.

"Chris Matras" > wrote in message
...
>I have a co-worker who's father just passed away. He'd like his ashes
> scattered over his home town. I've read a few horror stories in
> flying magazine. Does anyone have any experience with this? I have a
> Mooney and am a little concerned about stuff getting blown back in, or
> all over the wings. Is a high-wing the best way to go? I've also
> heard that a tube and funnel thingy might be prudent.
>
> Thankx
>

The subject comes up on the rec.aviation groups from time to time.
It'd be worth your while to google the newsgroup for it. Jim Weir has
the most carefully thought out approach. It involves removing an
inspection plate on the belly of his 182 and opening up the floor.

Don

On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 01:24:31 GMT, Don Tuite
> wrote:

>The subject comes up on the rec.aviation groups from time to time.
>It'd be worth your while to google the newsgroup for it. Jim Weir has
>the most carefully thought out approach. It involves removing an
>inspection plate on the belly of his 182 and opening up the floor.
>
>Don

Not recommended for human ashes. Electronic ashes may be different.
The tube method is probably the best. Duct tape a 1" tube all the way
down the fuse, past the tail. The pressure differential will pull the
ashes out. As Juan says, practice. If you mess up you could be
breathing your cargo for a long time or allow him to literally
sandblast the side of your aircraft. Good luck.

Jon A. > wrote:

>On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 01:24:31 GMT, Don Tuite
> wrote:
>
>>The subject comes up on the rec.aviation groups from time to time.
>>It'd be worth your while to google the newsgroup for it. Jim Weir has
>>the most carefully thought out approach. It involves removing an
>>inspection plate on the belly of his 182 and opening up the floor.
>>
>>Don
>
>Not recommended for human ashes. Electronic ashes may be different.
>The tube method is probably the best. Duct tape a 1" tube all the way
>down the fuse, past the tail. The pressure differential will pull the
>ashes out. As Juan says, practice. If you mess up you could be
>breathing your cargo for a long time or allow him to literally
>sandblast the side of your aircraft. Good luck.

Doesn't sound too smart to have a long rubber tube hanging out in
the slipstream which will happen if the tape get's ripped
off...Be careful with these experiments...an ASW crew on my base
a few years ago screwed up royally when they went out with lots
to tape on ten inch reels but had forgotten to take out an empty
reel to 'get things started' so to speak. One bright bulb said
'no sweat' we'll just dump a reel's tape by feeding the tape out
the General Purpose chute. He stuck a pencil through the reel and
fed it out...until the speed of the spinning reel (at approx the
speed of sound) wore the pencil off, the zinging reel hit the
floor at some God awful RPM, shattered and drove plastic shards
all over his legs. Had to abort the patrol and get him
home...painful and embarrassing...
--

-Gord.
(use gordon in email)

Jon A. wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 01:24:31 GMT, Don Tuite
> > wrote:
>
>
>>The subject comes up on the rec.aviation groups from time to time.
>>It'd be worth your while to google the newsgroup for it. Jim Weir has
>>the most carefully thought out approach. It involves removing an
>>inspection plate on the belly of his 182 and opening up the floor.
>>
>>Don
>
>
> Not recommended for human ashes. Electronic ashes may be different.
> The tube method is probably the best. Duct tape a 1" tube all the way
> down the fuse, past the tail. The pressure differential will pull the
> ashes out. As Juan says, practice. If you mess up you could be
> breathing your cargo for a long time or allow him to literally
> sandblast the side of your aircraft. Good luck.
Is that an approved tube to be taped on the aircraft?
Something stupid like that would have a good chance of killing somebody
when it got loose.

What the hell are electronic ashes? THe idea is to get a junk inspection
plate, drill a hole in it for a PVC fitting, on the outside of the airplane
cut the PVC off at a 45d angle facing aft to get vacuum, put a deflection
plate behind the PVC cutoff to deflect the ashes down, run a shopvac flex
hose up to a plastic utility box, put yet another PVC fitting on the box to
connect the hose to the box (flush fitting inside the box).

Test fly it with kitty litter. IF you got it right, test fly it again with
fireplace ashes. If you don't find kitty litter or fireplace ash somewhere
on the belly when you get back on the ground, you got it right.

WIth the dearly departed in the box, gently scoop or brush the ashes over to
the PVC drain hole in the box. When brushing gets no more of the ash out,
sluice the box out with liquid of choice to get all the ash into the drain
hole. Some may use holy water. Some may use Guinness. I want Chardonnay.

Jim

> Jon A. wrote:
>> On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 01:24:31 GMT, Don Tuite
>> > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>The subject comes up on the rec.aviation groups from time to time.
>>>It'd be worth your while to google the newsgroup for it. Jim Weir has
>>>the most carefully thought out approach. It involves removing an
>>>inspection plate on the belly of his 182 and opening up the floor.
>>>
>>>Don
>>
>>
>> Not recommended for human ashes. Electronic ashes may be different.

On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 21:57:57 -0600, wrote:

>
>
>Jon A. wrote:
>> On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 01:24:31 GMT, Don Tuite
>> > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>The subject comes up on the rec.aviation groups from time to time.
>>>It'd be worth your while to google the newsgroup for it. Jim Weir has
>>>the most carefully thought out approach. It involves removing an
>>>inspection plate on the belly of his 182 and opening up the floor.
>>>
>>>Don
>>
>>
>> Not recommended for human ashes. Electronic ashes may be different.
>> The tube method is probably the best. Duct tape a 1" tube all the way
>> down the fuse, past the tail. The pressure differential will pull the
>> ashes out. As Juan says, practice. If you mess up you could be
>> breathing your cargo for a long time or allow him to literally
>> sandblast the side of your aircraft. Good luck.
>Is that an approved tube to be taped on the aircraft?
>Something stupid like that would have a good chance of killing somebody
>when it got loose.

It's not approved to dump anything out of the aircraft. As far as the
tape coming off, I was under the impression that an light airplane
would be used, not a jet. If you've ever had to duct tape a part to
get home, you know it generally is okay, we're not doing a cross
country flight in the muck. In any event, he should do some research
from an org that has done this a number of times so that he can do it
well and to everyone's satisfaction.

That sounds like a good plan if you could deflect the ashes away from
the fuse well enough. From the light explanation I thought you dumped
them out of a hole in the belly, something I would expect from you.
Electronic ashes are those from the unfortunate components that are
burnt up in your experiments ;-)

On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 06:58:22 -0800, "RST Engineering"
> wrote:

>What the hell are electronic ashes? THe idea is to get a junk inspection
>plate, drill a hole in it for a PVC fitting, on the outside of the airplane
>cut the PVC off at a 45d angle facing aft to get vacuum, put a deflection
>plate behind the PVC cutoff to deflect the ashes down, run a shopvac flex
>hose up to a plastic utility box, put yet another PVC fitting on the box to
>connect the hose to the box (flush fitting inside the box).
>
>Test fly it with kitty litter. IF you got it right, test fly it again with
>fireplace ashes. If you don't find kitty litter or fireplace ash somewhere
>on the belly when you get back on the ground, you got it right.
>
>WIth the dearly departed in the box, gently scoop or brush the ashes over to
>the PVC drain hole in the box. When brushing gets no more of the ash out,
>sluice the box out with liquid of choice to get all the ash into the drain
>hole. Some may use holy water. Some may use Guinness. I want Chardonnay.
>
>Jim
>
>> Jon A. wrote:
>>> On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 01:24:31 GMT, Don Tuite
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>The subject comes up on the rec.aviation groups from time to time.
>>>>It'd be worth your while to google the newsgroup for it. Jim Weir has
>>>>the most carefully thought out approach. It involves removing an
>>>>inspection plate on the belly of his 182 and opening up the floor.
>>>>
>>>>Don
>>>
>>>
>>> Not recommended for human ashes. Electronic ashes may be different.
>

Oh, I FORGOT. This is the first full week of spring, and look what starts
crawling out from under the rocks.

Wait, what's that? Is it a bird? Is it a plane? Nope, it's a

PLONK.


Jim



"Jon A." > wrote in message
...
> That sounds like a good plan if you could deflect the ashes away from
> the fuse well enough. From the light explanation I thought you dumped
> them out of a hole in the belly, something I would expect from you.

On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 18:25:25 -0800, "RST Engineering"
> wrote:

>Oh, I FORGOT. This is the first full week of spring, and look what starts
>crawling out from under the rocks.
>
>Wait, what's that? Is it a bird? Is it a plane? Nope, it's a
>
>PLONK.
>
>
>Jim

If only you could be trusted!

Jon A. wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 21:57:57 -0600, wrote:
>
> It's not approved to dump anything out of the aircraft.
Please cite a reference on this. As far as I know, dropping things is
forbidden only if it poses a danger to persons, places or things.

I can see the headlines now.

"F16 dispatch to bring down general aviation airplane"
Airplane spotted flying over populated area spreading white powder!

How do you spell "Homeland Security"


Chris Matras wrote:
> I have a co-worker who's father just passed away. He'd like his ashes
> scattered over his home town. I've read a few horror stories in
> flying magazine. Does anyone have any experience with this? I have a
> Mooney and am a little concerned about stuff getting blown back in, or
> all over the wings. Is a high-wing the best way to go? I've also
> heard that a tube and funnel thingy might be prudent.
>
> Thankx
>

On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 08:41:08 -0500, "William W. Plummer"
> wrote:

>Jon A. wrote:
>> On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 21:57:57 -0600, wrote:
>>
>> It's not approved to dump anything out of the aircraft.
>Please cite a reference on this. As far as I know, dropping things is
>forbidden only if it poses a danger to persons, places or things.

You should know I don't do that. Do the homework yourself, or just
reply that since I won't, I can't so it must not be accurate.

Sorry, Jon, but this time you are wrong. I suggest you do the homework.
There's no FAR or federal law that says you can't dump _anything_ from an
aircraft. For example, in California all you need is written permission from
the landowner. See section 7116 of the Health and Safety Code.

"Jon A." > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 08:41:08 -0500, "William W. Plummer"
> > wrote:
>
>>Jon A. wrote:
>>> On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 21:57:57 -0600, wrote:
>>>
>>> It's not approved to dump anything out of the aircraft.
>>Please cite a reference on this. As far as I know, dropping things is
>>forbidden only if it poses a danger to persons, places or things.
>
> You should know I don't do that. Do the homework yourself, or just
> reply that since I won't, I can't so it must not be accurate.
>

"Secret Service Denotates Urn, Gives Uncle Fred One Heck Of A Send-Off!"

"Nick Funk" > wrote in message
...
>I can see the headlines now.
>
> "F16 dispatch to bring down general aviation airplane"
> Airplane spotted flying over populated area spreading white powder!
>
> How do you spell "Homeland Security"
>
>
> Chris Matras wrote:
>> I have a co-worker who's father just passed away. He'd like his ashes
>> scattered over his home town. I've read a few horror stories in
>> flying magazine. Does anyone have any experience with this? I have a
>> Mooney and am a little concerned about stuff getting blown back in, or
>> all over the wings. Is a high-wing the best way to go? I've also
>> heard that a tube and funnel thingy might be prudent.
>>
>> Thankx
>>

You couldn't find your ass in a telephone booth with both hands and a GPS.

Jim

"Jon A." > wrote in message
...

> You should know I don't do that. Do the homework yourself, or just
> reply that since I won't, I can't so it must not be accurate.

"Juan Jimenez" > wrote:

>"Secret Service Denotates Urn, Gives Uncle Fred One Heck Of A Send-Off!"
>

Likely get more bang for their buck if they detonate the urn...
--

-Gord.
(use gordon in email)

On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 18:37:00 -0600, Jon A. > wrote:

>On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 08:41:08 -0500, "William W. Plummer"
> wrote:
>
>>Jon A. wrote:
>>> On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 21:57:57 -0600, wrote:
>>>
>>> It's not approved to dump anything out of the aircraft.
>>Please cite a reference on this. As far as I know, dropping things is
>>forbidden only if it poses a danger to persons, places or things.
>
>You should know I don't do that. Do the homework yourself, or just
>reply that since I won't, I can't so it must not be accurate.


There are pilots familiar with flour bombing, and balloon attacks -
so I conclude that Plummer is probably closer to the mark.

Brian Whatcott Altus, OK

I thought you were plonking me. I know your word couldn't be trusted.

On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 18:39:54 -0800, "RST Engineering"
> wrote:

>You couldn't find your ass in a telephone booth with both hands and a GPS.
>
>Jim
>
>"Jon A." > wrote in message
...
>
>> You should know I don't do that. Do the homework yourself, or just
>> reply that since I won't, I can't so it must not be accurate.
>

On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 17:02:27 -0500, Chris Matras >
wrote:

>I have a co-worker who's father just passed away. He'd like his ashes
>scattered over his home town. I've read a few horror stories in
>flying magazine. Does anyone have any experience with this? I have a
>Mooney and am a little concerned about stuff getting blown back in, or
>all over the wings. Is a high-wing the best way to go? I've also
>heard that a tube and funnel thingy might be prudent.
>
>Thankx
>
An old friend of mine who was an avid backpacker asked that his ashes
be mixed with oats and placed in his favorite mules feedbag on the
high sierra trail. Now that shows class.

Ed Sullivan

snip
> >
> An old friend of mine who was an avid backpacker asked that his ashes
> be mixed with oats and placed in his favorite mules feedbag on the
> high sierra trail. Now that shows class.
>
> Ed Sullivan
>

Agreed.

Phyllis Diller said "she wanted her ashes scattered on her mother in laws
new white carpet."